that's an fbi fact. >> but they have been used in the last three mass shootings. why do they -- >> i'll tell you why, because they advertise in the media. everybody knows if someone jumps off the empire state building, they put cops out there because there are copy cats. the media hypes and hypes and hypes. don't just commit suicide, go commit suicide by killing a bunch of kids and use this gun because this is what the army uses. >> why do they need them? >> to protect us. a university study out of hawaii killed 292 million people. it's called democide. google it, folks. >> should everyone in america have an ar-15 if they want one? >> statistically, where there's more guns, there's lower crime. the highest crime is in bloomberg, you know -- >> but you have the most -- the 23 richest countries, you have -- >> america was born on guns and whiskey. it's true, we're a violent society. >> right. america has the most guns -- >> is it statistically, knives kill nine times morse -- >> alex, let's talk about the guns. >> have you seen the fbi numbers? knives, bats, rocks,